For those that care...(Miami related)

[CoeburnCane]

Biggin--that's where our thought patterns diverge.

PV didn't get to their state title games by saying "our #1 goal is to win the LPD". They got there by developing talent to compete on a state championship level. If their only focus was winning the LPD, they would have never made it out of the region.

If you continue to say as a coach, AD, or program as a whole that winning the conference is the #1 goal, you'll never reach national title contender status. I want the next coach to come in and build a winner. When we win ACC titles along the way, I'll be happy. But don't expect me to come in here and throw up an ACC title in the faces of other ACC fanbases like some of them do to us. All the conference affiliation is for any team is 1) a way to pool resources to make money, and 2) a shortcut to automatic BCS ties.

It's like when Miami was in the Big East--it wasn't the Big East title we were after. When we were independent, we didn't have a conference to win--so the goal was national title or bust. And we did that 5 times in the span of 18 years from 83 to 01.

We need a guy that has an eye on more than just the ACC, but the teams like Oregon, Auburn, Wisky, tOSU*, Stanford...for example, Beamer and VT were good enough to win the ACC, but will they be good enough to beat Stanford in the Orange Bowl? My money is on no, because most of their focus this year has been on winning the ACC.

[Ironlung]

Semi o/t.... Rivals Radio this morning said that UK demoted their DC and that they think that's where Randy Shannon might end up.

[Rich_Kotite]

The ACC really shouldnt be that hard to win. Its a pretty bad conference and Miami has consistently been "towards" the top of the conference with a really really REALLY bad coach. Im not saying national title next year sort of thing, but I could see a very Saban like first year for the new coach should it be the right coach. I would like to see Malzahn work with Bridgewater but I know its not gonna happen. Miami was #12 this season at one point. Clearly, they were the biggest disappointment in the nation. I think they have a chance to live up to their potential. They arent playing in the SEC. Getting to the top should take no more than 2 seasons, any when I say the top, Im not saying national titles, but they will have their shot at a top 10 season next year with the right coach.

[Biggin]

Biggin--that's where our thought patterns diverge.

PV didn't get to their state title games by saying "our #1 goal is to win the LPD". They got there by developing talent to compete on a state championship level. If their only focus was winning the LPD, they would have never made it out of the region.

If you continue to say as a coach, AD, or program as a whole that winning the conference is the #1 goal, you'll never reach national title contender status. I want the next coach to come in and build a winner. When we win ACC titles along the way, I'll be happy. But don't expect me to come in here and throw up an ACC title in the faces of other ACC fanbases like some of them do to us. All the conference affiliation is for any team is 1) a way to pool resources to make money, and 2) a shortcut to automatic BCS ties.

It's like when Miami was in the Big East--it wasn't the Big East title we were after. When we were independent, we didn't have a conference to win--so the goal was national title or bust. And we did that 5 times in the span of 18 years from 83 to 01.

We need a guy that has an eye on more than just the ACC, but the teams like Oregon, Auburn, Wisky, tOSU*, Stanford...for example, Beamer and VT were good enough to win the ACC, but will they be good enough to beat Stanford in the Orange Bowl? My money is on no, because most of their focus this year has been on winning the ACC.

thats not what i was saying at all.

im saying that Miami has to be able to contend for ACC titles before competing for national titles.
if you bring a coach in, of course his goal is to win titles.
but where Miami is now, they need to get a coach who can at least have them competing for ACC titles.
teams dont just jump from 7-win teams to winning titles in two years.
you have to build the program up, have to move up the ladder.
Miami needs to get to that level before they can talk about winning titles.